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Accepting Game Gifts!

Postby GTFO. Avenger » 04 Feb 2011, 17:45

To all steam user's - DO NOT ACCEPT STEAM GAME GIFTS FROM PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW!!!!

Useful info on the subject from Valve here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=831297

Even if you think you know them, be really careful...I nearly didn't get my account back :shock:

I accepted a gift from a guy I didn't really know, but had been friends for a bit and played with a bit and who I'd sent a gift to at christmas. I ended up getting my account disabled and had to wait three days for a reply.

The message I got:
"This account has been disabled as a gift subscription that you recently accepted in your account has been reported as fraudulent. The subscription has been removed. We will make an exception and reactivate the account this time only. Please refrain from accepting Steam gifts from unknown sources in the future. Valve reserves the right to refer the matter to the appropriate authorities if such activity continues."

So just to warn everyone to be really careful...
Like Gash says "Didn't your mother ever tell you not to accept stuff from stangers" :lol:

EDIT: The guy spent too much at once on his card and so it was classed as a fraudulent purchase...therefore the game gift was removed from my account.
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Re: Accepting Gift Requests!

Postby DataStorm » 04 Feb 2011, 18:09

ah, I was right when I said that to you then....

Other things I know ppl get their accounts disabled or backpack deleted, or reverted to a x date for:
- Trading for fraudulent keys (say you trade a refined for a key, the key has been bought with fraud CC or w/e)
- Attacks on your account (brute force), happens the most to ppl who have the same nickname as login name. Use different nicknames, and let ppl add you via the steam page, not via your login name.
- Trading for stolen/phished items. The best you can get is a revert of your backpack to near a month ago.
- Having 1 computer, and like x accounts where ever logged on to it. ALL those accounts can get disabled for above. No use in having a 2nd account to prevent such as above etc. One occasion a guy bought a scammed max head, and had his, his brothers, his fathers and couple secondary accounts, and a friends account disabled.
- Do not log your account into another one's computer. As in NEVER.

Tips in general:
- Don't do empty trades, make them equal in value (not a max head for a crate etc)
- If making bigger trades for quite valuable items, make SCREENSHOTS of the trades and the chats around it, get their STEAM_ID's. Check them if they are banned on the UHC or other trading, or are mentioned in scam treads on sourceop.com forums. Also, ask if they have a reputation tread on the sourceop forum and actually READ it, and check if the person you talk to is actually that guy. There are a lot of impersonators, they just link to the tread but are not that person.
- Check the account (steam profile) of the person you trade with. Things that are suspicious: low number of hours of playtime, only a couple games, near empty backpack, hidden steam profile, use tf2items.com to check history of the backpack.
- There is NO way you can check if any item is not legit. Time IS a good defence, say you want to trade for a unusual, say you cannot trade now, but you trade/buy it in a week time (2 weeks is better). Use opt2.com, like: http://optf2.com/user/DataStorm to get the serial of an item (click on the item). Note it down, if after 2 weeks its not the same, it should not be trusted.
- Those guys are in a hurry, always, because they know support is on their heels, they want either money or valuable items they can forward fast to other accounts. The more time you take for it, the more they try to hurry you, (they go tomorrow on a vacation, long trip to africa for 6 months, and need to go to bed now etc etc).

ANY legit trading person has all the time you want for it. those dont CARE when they get it, as long as its in a reasonable time. If they cannot trade in a reasonable fashion, just let it pass, there will be other opportunities.

@AA: I would still put a response to steam support that you cannot see on such a gift that there is any form of fraud on it, especially if you already gifted once him a game and you tho that he was returning the favor.
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Re: Accepting Gift Requests!

Postby WhizzUK » 04 Feb 2011, 18:10

At least you got it back eventually..... Just goes to show you cant trust anybody
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Re: Accepting Game Gifts!

Postby bläm » 04 Feb 2011, 19:10

punishment for accepting a gift ?
cmon valve this is ridiculous !
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Re: Accepting Game Gifts!

Postby DataStorm » 04 Feb 2011, 19:44

Its even worse...
short version (really):

Seller with "wrong paypall":
Guy is buying a max head via sourceop.com, for $ 100,-. the seller (supposedly) accidentally made a "mistake" with the paypal e-mail addres, instead of .com he put a .co.uk on it. The buyer sends the money to the "wrong" address, and the seller said he did not recieve it.

Buyer can prove to the middleman that he HAS send the money over paypal to the "wrong" email address, and gets the Max Head. Seller cant wait the 30 day wait time before wrong address paypal sent is undone, and buyer can do the payment to the right address. Buyer does NOT want to do another payment to the "right" address, cos the person might have 2, and try to have 200 dollars that way.

Seller complaints to support that he was conned. Buyers accounts get disabled etc, he sends all chat screenshots etc to support. He wont get his accounts back. He has lost a LOT of valuable items. All because the seller could not wait the 30 days for the money to return to the buyer (SOP from paypal) and the buyer to redo the payment to the "correct" address.

Buyer had a lot of reputation, seller a couple. Seller is now banned on UHC, Sourceop etc. Buyer has nothing anymore, all his (3 or so) accounts disabled. Because the seller did complaint to support, the buyer is no longer willing to do payment, for his loss of accounts and items. The 30 day period is not over, so no idea if he will get his money back. last report said it was still not claimed (bout a week ago).

"brother" con:
Seller trades some items (dont remember which), buyer does a "reasonable" price. Seller then turns the tide by reporting to support that his brother or w/e has traded items of his account, without his permission. And yes, the other party got his account disabled, and the trade was reversed.

The latter one still happens.
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Re: Accepting Game Gifts!

Postby GTFO. KARR » 04 Feb 2011, 19:48

buyer paying $100 for a hat is an idiot and gets everything he deserves.
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Re: Accepting Game Gifts!

Postby DataStorm » 04 Feb 2011, 19:57

Not really, buying and selling happens a lot on sourceop. 100 for max head is not a bad deal for both parties.

Buyer really doesn't deserve his accounts to be disabled. He has cooperated in any reasonable way to get the payment to the right party. Seller could not sit on the coals and just messed stuff up. Seller has his max head back btw. And my (personal) guess is that the money will be claimed a day before expiry.

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And one tip, but is already implied by not logging in on some1 elses computer: never let anybody ELSE login to their steam on your computer.
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Re: Accepting Game Gifts!

Postby GTFO. Ragostini » 04 Feb 2011, 21:28

DataStorm wrote:100 for max head is not a bad deal for both parties.

Get real, $100 for a bunch of pixels to stick on another bunch of pixels, no fucking way can that be considered a good deal.
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Re: Accepting Game Gifts!

Postby GTFO. Luckyg » 04 Feb 2011, 21:50

i just generally decline all gifts that are sent to me, even tho I love you all.
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Re: Accepting Game Gifts!

Postby GTFO. Kitten » 04 Feb 2011, 21:57

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Re: Accepting Game Gifts!

Postby DataStorm » 03 Mar 2011, 09:04

GTFO. Ragostini wrote:
DataStorm wrote:100 for max head is not a bad deal for both parties.

Get real, $100 for a bunch of pixels to stick on another bunch of pixels, no fucking way can that be considered a good deal.


Me and you wouldn't pay that indeed, but with current prices on sourceop, its a normal price it goes for on there. I was merely remarking that the deal was not bad for both parties.

about post above from "heqing2011"... not seen spam here often...
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