Castle Doctrine

[GTFO. vito]

While defending his property the guy here stabs a burglar who is part of a masked gang trying to rob his house. In doing so he gets arrested. Assuming his reaction was reasonable and not overexcessive surely he wouldn't have been if we had something like Castle Doctrine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine (that is properly legislated)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-13885457

Personally, I'm siding with the householder!

[GTFO. Gash]

thats about the only yank law that is of good use... and perhaps death penalty...

dont see what the cops expect u to do if ur getting robbed... is it a case of let them rob/kill/hurt u whilst calling them and trying to hide... or defend yourself...

fair play to the householder, shame he prob will get time for this :/

[GTFO. Unflux]

There was a case years ago where an elderly home-owner panned a bugler in the face and was consequently convicted of GBH. This caused a massive stir at the time as it was generally considered acceptable to defend yourself and your property, however, this case displayed otherwise.

Frankly my opinion on the matter is that if someone unlawfully enters someones home with intent to steal or otherwise, the occupant should be allowed to defend themselves and their property accordingly whilst the criminal should be exempt from the protection of any laws. They obviously don't think the law applies to then when it is against them, so why should it apply when it protects them?

Personally I think this should apply to all criminals, they choose to break the law and then moan about the law and their civil rights when the shit hits the fan. Can't have it both ways lads, faggots.

[GTFO. fission_chips]

Gash, I think I read recently, California spent more than $4 billion on capital punishment since 1978, yet carried out only 13 executions.

Capital punishment seems like a good idea, but is hardly economic or humane. And the leading cause of death of death row inmates is actually old age. lol.

[plodgeface]

As soon as he enters the house without permission, he forfeits everything and anything that happens to him is his own fault. imo.

[GTFO. G]

Gash, I think I read recently, California spent more than $4 billion on capital punishment since 1978, yet carried out only 13 executions.

Capital punishment seems like a good idea, but is hardly economic or humane. And the leading cause of death of death row inmates is actually old age. lol.

Hmm, they're clearly doing it wrong. Bullets are cheap.

[GTFO. Jamie]

the burglar in question had only just been released on bail, back to his old tricks. Only himself to blame

[GTFO. Lost Sock]

Agreed the burgular was in the wrong and got his just deserts.

The problem with allowing anything other than reasonable force ("reasonable" being a laughably subjective term, but I digress) is the same as most things: it's the few that abuse it that create the need to change it. The "Shoot the Milkman" analogy in that wiki page pretty much sums it up.

[GTFO. NachoDuck]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13957587

[GTFO. kk20]

about bloody time. Shame it will never get through the house of lords.

[GTFO. vito]

So the boy who got stabbed, and while I feel for his family, was basically a junkie who had been robbing houses for yonks and he died when he went into this guys house armed with a machete while he was already out on bail.

Apparently, he'd done 15 burglaries, been in the jail for three years and was on the run for outstanding charges.

Something, somwehere isn't working as it should. Education, the jail system, the law - i dunno.

[diz]

So the boy who got stabbed, and while I feel for his family, was basically a junkie who had been robbing houses for yonks and he died when he went into this guys house armed with a machete while he was already out on bail.

Apparently, he'd done 15 burglaries, been in the jail for three years and was on the run for outstanding charges.

Something, somwehere isn't working as it should. Education, the jail system, the law - i dunno.

What the @#$@? People should have right to defend by all means. The burglar was carrying machete! This is so wrong.

-diz

[GTFO. G]

Hmm, a bit off topic, but when I went to the BBC homepage today it had a line up asking if you had seen any of the faces listed below... So I clicked on one of them:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/crimewatchroadshow ... hare.shtml

Back in 2002 he was charged with murder and attempted murder but failed to attend court.

WHAT?!?!

[GTFO. TommyBoy]

The Irish have got it right anyway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_John_Ward
which resulted in this
http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bill ... B4210D.pdf
I particularly like these points:-

(4) It is immaterial whether a belief is justified or not if it is
honestly held but in considering whether the person using the force
honestly held the belief, the court or the jury, as the case may be,
shall have regard to the presence or absence of reasonable grounds
for the person so believing and all other relevant circumstances.

10 (7) The use of force shall not exclude the use of force causing
death.

This basically says that if you believe the only way of keeping yourself or your family safe is to kill the fucker, then a judge and jury have to prove otherwise.

[r3loaded]

Something, somwehere isn't working as it should. Education, the jail system, the law - i dunno

The parents. Most likely an absent father. And an "all rights, no responsibilities" attitude coupled with a lack of respect that's so prevalent among many in our culture. These are the root causes of so many of this country's problems.

[GTFO. NachoDuck]

The man won't be prosecuted says CPS - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-14248097

[GTFO. vito]

Rarely do we get the chance to say this in our ham-fisted judicial system but "Common sense prevails".