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Excessive Information

Postby Haphazard » 20 Mar 2010, 22:34

Hello GTFO, Hopefully this is the right section.. I was temp-banned a little while ago by Cole Scuttle, though this isn't why I am here, I accept the ban and the consequences.
The reason I am here is because I looked up my ban only to find my IP being available to all, now obviously my steam id should be shown and possibly my comm link but my IP? that's just excessive. I don't have time to debate the issue at the moment but I think its pretty obvious its not fair (privacy wise) and as said excessive.

I guess I'm going to have to live with a few people here seeing it but I'd appreciate it if you could take this suggestion on board and remove it before google decides to cache it..

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Re: Excessive Information

Postby GTFO. G » 20 Mar 2010, 22:50

Hi,

I have modified the page to only show the IP address to admins. The general public cannot see IP addresses now.
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Re: Excessive Information

Postby DataStorm » 21 Mar 2010, 00:55

eh, really: WHY?

Often when somebody is suspected for being a hacker a Google search is done, think that's done too by some other communities. a perfectly valid search term is the IP address of someone for that... too see if other accounts where used also from that IP. Also I know that the competition (ETF2 etc) extensively search the players that play in their leagues. by removing a such info, a common factor for different accounts used, they wont find the hackers anymore.

Someone abusing the servers in any way should live with the name and shame. and if such is inconvenient for that person, so be it. That's why its there.

The abusers forfeit their anonymity when they do such actions that an admin needs to act. And its not like the home address and full name of a person is displayed there with the IP. Only a relation between a steam-account and a IP address. Any information in the steam Community page of that person is the users problem.

But that's my opinion.
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Re: Excessive Information

Postby GTFO. Irritant » 21 Mar 2010, 01:55

What's a Steam ID for then?

Plus, isn't is possible that people's IP addresses change if they don't have permanant connections to the net? Isn't that how tons of innocent people are getting accused of filesharing?
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Re: Excessive Information

Postby Haphazard » 21 Mar 2010, 02:50

As Irritant has stated this is exactly why the steam id is used primarily in these circumstances, after all IPs are generally unreliable especially if the user is using a dynamic address. Also, if its that much of a big deal which it isn't seen as G has kindly fixed this issue, the different leagues and server providers etc. could all share IPs quite easily away from the public eye if they wanted to.

Maybe I just feel strongly against it because my ban was such a "minor" one, I was just battle-medicing for a few minutes, and to me that doesn't warrant all my information being posted alongside the cheaters and other scumbags, I think that's quite fair. Thanks again, G.

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Re: Excessive Information

Postby DataStorm » 21 Mar 2010, 06:15

GTFO. Irritant wrote:What's a Steam ID for then?

Plus, isn't is possible that people's IP addresses change if they don't have permanant connections to the net? Isn't that how tons of innocent people are getting accused of filesharing?


you know that ppl have often multiple accounts, you also know that that norwegian guy that comes to your servers everytime with another hacked account to play on GTFO DODS servers with some hack... (wallhack/aimbot, dont remember anymore, was once discussed in chat). The only common thing those accounts have is their IP.

as for changing IP's, yes, that happens, some have daily another IP, others everytime they restart their modem etc. but most times its in the same range of IP's.

steam ID is just that, the steam id... but my point is that there are organizations that research other hackers in games on their servers by relating the IP's that are used. This can be other communities (where you guys already are using their's for searching in google) or league's that are researching if somebody of their players is a hacker or not with another account.
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Re: Excessive Information

Postby Echelon » 21 Mar 2010, 14:58

DataStorm wrote:
GTFO. Irritant wrote:What's a Steam ID for then?

Plus, isn't is possible that people's IP addresses change if they don't have permanant connections to the net? Isn't that how tons of innocent people are getting accused of filesharing?


you know that ppl have often multiple accounts, you also know that that norwegian guy that comes to your servers everytime with another hacked account to play on GTFO DODS servers with some hack... (wallhack/aimbot, dont remember anymore, was once discussed in chat). The only common thing those accounts have is their IP.

as for changing IP's, yes, that happens, some have daily another IP, others everytime they restart their modem etc. but most times its in the same range of IP's.

steam ID is just that, the steam id... but my point is that there are organizations that research other hackers in games on their servers by relating the IP's that are used. This can be other communities (where you guys already are using their's for searching in google) or league's that are researching if somebody of their players is a hacker or not with another account.


Norwegian guy?
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Re: Excessive Information

Postby GTFO. ObscuredByCows » 21 Mar 2010, 17:36

GTFO. Echelon wrote:Norwegian guy?
Let's find out where he lives, i'll go break his legs.


I think he meant Phoak, and he was from Finland not Norway. No objection to you popping over there and breaking his legs mind :twisted:
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Re: Excessive Information

Postby Photek » 21 Mar 2010, 23:11

Just like to ask why you feel posting your IP address is excessive? Everything you do on the internet leaves a record of your IP, why would you think that an IP is personally identifiable to you? Only your ISP knows what IP matches what customer and they only hand over that info for legal reasons so why do you care? Personally I don't think G should have removed the IP from the ban section since it has no bearing on anyone's privacy.

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Re: Excessive Information

Postby GTFO. Unflux » 22 Mar 2010, 00:21

Issue is resolved. As requested G has hidden IP addresses from public view and Haphazard is satisfied.

Nothing more really needs to be said or discussed.
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