Limiting Medium

by **Smudge** » 24 Aug 2006, 01:40

I know this will never fucking happen but the 'medium+' players support the fucking best idea ever..

The idea being we limit the shity medium class to 1.

Its just fucking stupid..theres more mediums then fucking ever these days.

& everyones thoughts?

by **GTFO. Gash** » 24 Aug 2006, 01:46

it 100% give backup to this... however... limiting to 1... may not happen, or be the best idea... seeing as we still have 2 mg limit... also... in general we r a place for noobs to come to... and they <3 the assualt... so possibly a limit of 2 or 4 would be more appropriate...

by **GTFO. al** » 24 Aug 2006, 08:06

what shitty medium class is that?

by **GTFO. Gash** » 24 Aug 2006, 10:13

er? there only is one.... thompson spammers, ghey sprayers etc

by **[SC-UK] ALiiiX** » 24 Aug 2006, 11:57

bastards

by **The Chumpster** » 24 Aug 2006, 17:42

Well if you wanna limit mediums then limit all classes so that only 16 weapon slots per side are available forcing players to choose the available class, but I would predict it will put a lot of people off playing the servers.

by **Smudge** » 24 Aug 2006, 19:12

Yep as i said this would never happen..too many people play them.

There worse then a mg or sniper imo.

Just that i know for a fact that if the medium class was limited we would have better players join our servers.

by **GTFO. al** » 24 Aug 2006, 20:30

dont like them? dont use them!

we were very reluctant to impose any weapon limits as the poor quality configuration of other servers was one of the original factors that lead to the formation of GTFO. snipers and MGs became a necessity after months of seeing 3/4 of the server sitting camped at their own flags.

dont see myself coming to support limiting things like thompsons/mp40's or such like - they are simply too popular a weapon

by **[SC-UK] ALiiiX** » 24 Aug 2006, 22:22

i dont see anything wrong with my playin coz all i use is medium, so in a way your banning me from this server? and you see that as fair?

its a game and as such its played to have fun, how is it fun if i cant choose class i enjoy using?

is it my fault if your not quick enough to kill me before i spray and pray?

by **GTFO. Gash** » 25 Aug 2006, 01:40

[SC-UK] ALiiiX wrote:i dont see anything wrong with my playin coz all i use is medium, so in a way your banning me from this server? and you see that as fair?

its a game and as such its played to have fun, how is it fun if i cant choose class i enjoy using?

is it my fault if your not quick enough to kill me before i spray and pray?

imo, i wasnt trying to get rid of u or nething... I jus dont like having to face 5,6,7 assault all on the right flank when im german rifle... fair enuff i can get some/most (depending on their attack)... but alot of their hits are fiction... i.e to do wif 100 in 1 hit... but that is valve's fault...

also as u say it is a bit 'spray n pray'.. it would give users the forced choice to try support or smtn else... look @ MK... his kdr is over 2.0 wif BAR... since he moved to support...

but i completley understand what ur sayin aliiix... jus wanted to see if there would be much opposition to this idea...

<3u aliiix

by **Smudge** » 25 Aug 2006, 01:52

Nah the idea is to limit only the medium class to a suitable number so that there isnt like 8/9 mediums on one team.

So that 'tactics' & 'skill' are then used on the game.

by **GTFO. al** » 25 Aug 2006, 09:10

mediums are very useful to a team - often they are the men rushing up to the front of the fight. yes there is spray and pray but the same can be said of supports/mgs and even rockets are sometimes "fire and prey".

however when you come against 2 or 3 enemies at once skill is definately required to take them out with the likes of the thompson or mp40

by **kyub** » 25 Aug 2006, 12:23

GTFO. al wrote:mediums are very useful to a team - often they are the men rushing up to the front of the fight. yes there is spray and pray but the same can be said of supports/mgs and even rockets are sometimes "fire and prey".

however when you come against 2 or 3 enemies at once skill is definately required to take them out with the likes of the thompson or mp40

Quoted for truth.

by **Smudge** » 25 Aug 2006, 12:42

Ok so your losing my point of view here. Just to limit the medium class to 4/5 so it isnt like a deathmatch all the fucking time.

So anyways no-ones never been killed by a proner laying down by a sandbag? Or the nub sitting and waiting in the darkest corner?

& I didnt realise that the game was all about getting mediums and rushing..i might try that next game..see how it goes..

& what skill people!? I mean like you jump round the corner with a thompson & BAM theres 2 or 3 enemies lined up looking at the floor with there mp40's for you to spray at them..fair do's its the easiest weapon to get a 2.0 kdr on if you use your brains..

& also how you try to snipe them from the other end of the road & they run across & they get that lucky headshot..the 100 in 1 shot..

by **GTFO. Gash** » 25 Aug 2006, 13:36

GTFO. Smudge wrote:Ok so your losing my point of view here. Just to limit the medium class to 4/5 so it isnt like a deathmatch all the fucking time.

So anyways no-ones never been killed by a proner laying down by a sandbag? Or the nub sitting and waiting in the darkest corner?

& I didnt realise that the game was all about getting mediums and rushing..i might try that next game..see how it goes..

& what skill people!? I mean like you jump round the corner with a thompson & BAM theres 2 or 3 enemies lined up looking at the floor with there mp40's for you to spray at them..fair do's its the easiest weapon to get a 2.0 kdr on if you use your brains..

& also how you try to snipe them from the other end of the road & they run across & they get that lucky headshot..the 100 in 1 shot..

Quoted for truth.

by **GTFO. al** » 25 Aug 2006, 17:42

GTFO. Smudge wrote:Ok so your losing my point of view here. Just to limit the medium class to 4/5 so it isnt like a deathmatch all the fucking time.

it isn't a deathmatch at all. you're free to use a rifle and pick people off at medium/long distance, or a sniper or just bounce about with a rocket if you wish. alternatively you can go about pursuing flag captures and defends.

GTFO. Smudge wrote:So anyways no-ones never been killed by a proner laying down by a sandbag? Or the nub sitting and waiting in the darkest corner?

yes, we all have. your point? how many times have you run round a corner just to get hit by some flooky bitch firing a rocket just incase someone is there. or you've ran into a room just to get your face taken off instantly by the luckor doing a 180 degree spin with his unscoped sniper?

GTFO. Smudge wrote:& I didnt realise that the game was all about getting mediums and rushing..i might try that next game..see how it goes..

its your choice as to what weapon you use. the fundamental point here is that some of you don't use a particular weapon and then you try to get it more severely limited because you "dont like noobs killing you with it". wise up fellas. if you cant kill a brigade of clowns running about with thompsons its time to practice harder

GTFO. Smudge wrote:& what skill people!? I mean like you jump round the corner with a thompson & BAM theres 2 or 3 enemies lined up looking at the floor with there mp40's for you to spray at them..fair do's its the easiest weapon to get a 2.0 kdr on if you use your brains..

quite often you'll come up against multiple enemies in a room or alleyway and with a thompson you can spray and quite literally pray or you can try to aim and kill them more efficiently. yes there are plenty of noobs out there who use assault/support classes and just hold mouse1 down at any thing that moves until the clip is empty but there are plenty of us out there, me included, who, when we use assault/support, try to be effective with it.

its fairly easy to get a 2:1 ratio with most of the weaponry.

GTFO. Smudge wrote:& also how you try to snipe them from the other end of the road & they run across & they get that lucky headshot..the 100 in 1 shot..

just that...lucky. deal with it.

by **Smudge** » 25 Aug 2006, 18:07

Nope, you've completely missed the point again.

alternatively you can go about pursuing flag captures and defends.

Yep..but many of times ive been killed by a medium laying behind a sandbag at the flag point. like ava, donner..

how many times have you run round a corner just to get hit by some flooky bitch firing a rocket just incase someone is there. or you've ran into a room just to get your face taken off instantly by the luckor doing a 180 degree spin with his unscoped sniper?

& how many times have they done that while laying prone like a medium?

"dont like noobs killing you with it"

No need to put words into my mouth. That again isnt the point, I get killed by nubs all the time..

wise up fellas. if you cant kill a brigade of clowns running about with thompsons its time to practice harder

Its very hard to kill a brigade of clowns running down when they jump round a corner at once with a kar..or similar. Maybe you'll get the 1st one...but by that time..the 2nd one would surely get you.

quite often you'll come up against multiple enemies in a room or alleyway and with a thompson you can spray and quite literally pray or you can try to aim and kill them more efficiently.

Yes the gender of 'spray & prey' is you generally aim in there direction as you spray & then prey..

yes there are plenty of noobs out there who use assault/support classes and just hold mouse1 down at any thing that moves until the clip is empty but there are plenty of us out there, me included, who, when we use assault/support, try to be effective with it

*si*

When you've played assualt..you havent been effective.

You'd rarely do what a medium should which is rush..

You and many other people do it, just camp..in a corner..behind a sandbag..laying prone in long grass..& shoot you in the back..isnt this why you limited mg & snipe? So it wasnt such a camp feast & mg spam feast like on flash & a snipe feast on donner.

by **[SC-UK] ALiiiX** » 25 Aug 2006, 18:50

GTFO. Smudge wrote:*si*

its *SIGH*

bloody monkey

by **GTFO. Gash** » 25 Aug 2006, 19:03

[SC-UK] ALiiiX wrote:
GTFO. Smudge wrote:*si*

its *SIGH*

bloody monkey

lol

by **GTFO. al** » 25 Aug 2006, 19:08

GTFO. Smudge wrote:Nope, you've completely missed the point again.

i disagree

Yep..but many of times ive been killed by a medium laying behind a sandbag at the flag point. like ava, donner..

your point?

& how many times have they done that while laying prone like a medium?

your point?

No need to put words into my mouth. That again isnt the point, I get killed by nubs all the time..

its pretty clear the words are in your mouth and have been spoken. essentially you dislike the medium class and dislike the perceived "spray and pray noobs" who use it to kill you "without skill". frankly its bullshit.

Its very hard to kill a brigade of clowns running down when they jump round a corner at once with a kar..or similar. Maybe you'll get the 1st one...but by that time..the 2nd one would surely get you.

simple courses of action:

a) take up a better position.
b) use a more appropriate weapon
c) kill them all
d) get killed yourself and just accept that it happens.

what not to do:

a) try to get a weapon class limited because it doesn't fit in with your view of the world.

*si*

When you've played assualt..you havent been effective.

really? my KDR must be false. when i use weapons i contribute fairly well to my team.

You'd rarely do what a medium should which is rush..

indeed. everyone knows my style of play is more defensive and lurking in the background. thats why i tend to use the sniper more than assault/support

You and many other people do it, just camp..in a corner..behind a sandbag..laying prone in long grass..& shoot you in the back..isnt this why you limited mg & snipe? So it wasnt such a camp feast & mg spam feast like on flash & a snipe feast on donner.

as above - thats the way i play the game on the whole but when it comes to close quarters fighting with assaults/supports i'd be more than capable of defeating the majority of opponents. as a fairly decent player thats why i usually end up near the top of the ranks.

the reason MGs and snipers were limited was because by default you have to be stationary and/or deployed to be effective with these weapons. when you had 12 people per team using them it led to a pretty static game. with the other classes this isn't true. if you have 12 players using rifles/assault/support/rockets it becomes quite an open and intense game.

by **Smudge** » 25 Aug 2006, 19:44

This is stupid..your commenting me on every single sentence with the same outcome..bullshit.

its pretty clear the words are in your mouth and have been spoken. essentially you dislike the medium class and dislike the perceived "spray and pray noobs" who use it to kill you "without skill". frankly its bullshit.

Theres no need to take it down to a personal level, & no that isnt the case.

I don't think you can admit to being wrong. Which also means you can't admit using the thompson requires hardly no skill.

Like there is no recoil, its fairly accurate when aiming in the general direction, its also fairly powerful within distance.

& if im going to be honest i'd say your an ordinary nub with a fair knownledge of how to camp to its protential.

really? my KDR must be false. when i use weapons i contribute fairly well to my team.

o rly..wtf has KDR got to do with being effective in your team?

& MY FUCKING POINT IS THIS..

I issue isnt with "omg i got killed by a thompson...lets ban it!" Or "damn fucking spray & prey noobs..im gonna get you banned".

None of that bullshit.

Just the simple fact that no matter how much you can say an mg is a camper or a sniper just camps, a medium does it just as much.

Not just the fact that with the amount of spam we used to get from the amount of mg & snipe users before we limited them due to shite game play, its the same reason here.

Too many mediums = shite gameplay, a camp feast a deathmatch.

Flash used to be like this, shite gameplay due to having too many mg's camping until we got the limits on, it was like a deathmatch. Just like donner with the amount of snipers.

I know this won't happen as i keep saying due to the fact you simply disagree and want to prove me wrong because you think your always right.

by **Pyro** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:26

To Be quite frank i don't think this "Debate" is doing the community so good , your all talking about how much it would benefit OTHER people , but you are all talking about YOUR experiences , altough i agree with smudge + Cancer about the "Spray & Prey" Noobs , in the end its a Game and you cant stop people having fun , and if they're fun is using a medium then fine let it be that way , But i find more effective is if you cant beat those darn mediums join them , like Kyub he uses medium , but do we hear then name n00b arising? , No we don't , so your Beef isn't with Mediums , its just with n00bs lol

Hope this makes sense to all you

by **GTFO. Gash** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:48

im jus going to say one thing... and thats me done wif this thread....

I AM NOT WANTING TO 'BAN' MEDIUMS FROM USE OF SERVER... JUS LIMIT IT TO NO LESS THAN 4, IS ALL IM SAYING... I PLAYED TODAY... 7 MEDIUMS ON MY TEAM...

*done wif this typical bs*

by **kyub** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:56

I take offence to being thrown in with the "n00bs" just because I like using an assault weapon and think that's when I'm most effective.

You guys are taking the point that the game will be played more like its intended to be if assault/medium gets limited and it will be better overall, but you're forgetting that the point of this game and all games is FUN. It's not gonna be fun if someone comes on(such as me) that normally plays medium, only to realise that those slots have been taken and you're gonna have to play something you don't actually want to.

nz was saying the other night how he is as good a shot as any, and fL is only better because he's a REALLY clever player as well as being a great shot. He pointed out that I "never use anything but medium"(not true coz I've tried other weapons a lot and grab weapons that I think will help me in a given situation) and that practice makes perfect etc. Unfortunately for me, I'm at the end of the spectrum in that I'm a clever player, but a fairly crap shot and I guess some of the other assault players are in the same boat.

Sorry for the rant. My point being- not all of us are n00bs just because we like to use those weapons.

by **Smudge** » 25 Aug 2006, 23:58

I see peoples points & yes i do agree to them but also agree to the 7 players that would like the limit.

Its a win win situation, but im not saying everyone who uses a medium is a nub, because they aint.

Im saying if the limit was to be inposed the gameplay would change alot.

by **[SC-UK] ALiiiX** » 26 Aug 2006, 00:00

lol passionate thread hehe

by **michaelkan** » 26 Aug 2006, 00:43

is emo the word. I used to love medium and I have no offence with medium. however what merv and sean saying is that by limiting medium to a certain extent will improve the gameplay eventhough I can't see this being enforced.

I know its very frustrating when u see a medium spraying at u...but that's life......a good player will uses their skills such jumping, move side to side to avoid being killed and killed that twat with the medium. how often kyub get to killed me...lol. just teasing there no offence kyub.

my point is noob is everywhere whether it is medium, light or even heavy. it is up to the individual of using its skills and tactics to kill.

by **AngusThermopile** » 26 Aug 2006, 01:50

I voted yes even though I love ass-salt. I think it would be an interesting experiment at the least. Just to see what happened to game play.

That being said I don't play on the server much now and when i do I don't exclusively use medium any more. If I did do either then I wonder if I could have voted yes.

by **GTFO. al** » 26 Aug 2006, 22:21

its time you took a step back sean.

by **Smudge** » 26 Aug 2006, 23:11

GTFO. al wrote:its time you took a step back sean.

explain?

by **GTFO. al** » 26 Aug 2006, 23:34

GTFO. Smudge wrote:
GTFO. al wrote:its time you took a step back sean.

explain?

you're getting too uptight

by **Smudge** » 27 Aug 2006, 00:17

GTFO. al wrote:
GTFO. Smudge wrote:
GTFO. al wrote:its time you took a step back sean.

explain?

you're getting too uptight

Sorry if you think that, but i can assure im not. :/

I created this thread after a mini decussion with players on the serv about the amount of mediums.

& that I & others was wondering what people in our community thought about it on our community.

I mainly was curious as to what people thought, nothing more then a discussion.

by **GTFO. al** » 27 Aug 2006, 00:28

GTFO. Smudge wrote:
GTFO. al wrote:
GTFO. Smudge wrote:
GTFO. al wrote:its time you took a step back sean.

explain?

you're getting too uptight

Sorry if you think that, but i can assure im not. :/

I created this thread after a mini decussion with players on the serv about the amount of mediums.

& that I & others was wondering what people in our community thought about it on our community.

I mainly was curious as to what people thought, nothing more then a discussion.

"if im going to be honest i'd say your an ordinary nub"

thats the point where you went too far. don't do it again.

by **Smudge** » 27 Aug 2006, 02:06

GTFO. al wrote:
GTFO. Smudge wrote:
GTFO. al wrote:
GTFO. Smudge wrote:
GTFO. al wrote:its time you took a step back sean.

explain?

you're getting too uptight

Sorry if you think that, but i can assure im not. :/

I created this thread after a mini decussion with players on the serv about the amount of mediums.

& that I & others was wondering what people in our community thought about it on our community.

I mainly was curious as to what people thought, nothing more then a discussion.

"if im going to be honest i'd say your an ordinary nub"

thats the point where you went too far. don't do it again.

Don't get uptight about it.

if im going to be honest i'd say your an ordinary nub with a fair knownledge of how to camp to its protential.

It was meant not to be serious..just as a joke about how you play defensivly.

by **GTFO. al** » 27 Aug 2006, 02:16

strange way to start a joke saying "if im going to be honest".

by **GTFO. Gash** » 27 Aug 2006, 02:17

ladies... ladies... handbags away...

it was jus a discussion, to c the views of everyone else... as i agree 90% wif what sean has said, and i have said this also...

by **Smudge** » 27 Aug 2006, 03:41

GTFO. al wrote:strange way to start a joke saying "if im going to be honest".

lols, oh rite ok strange way :roll:

Maybe im wrong but are you offended by what i said about your style of play?

I mean it was a joke, & if it wasnt, well then i just wouldve said it wasnt & that im dead serious, which that isnt the case.

But if you are offended then..well its just a game.

& this crap isnt needed between either of us because it isnt going anywhere.

Sorry anyways..

by **[SC-UK] ALiiiX** » 27 Aug 2006, 10:59

awww i had a bet at bookies that this would last well longer

by **michaelkan** » 27 Aug 2006, 11:41

[SC-UK] ALiiiX wrote:awww i had a bet at bookies that this would last well longer

lmao...

by **GTFO. al** » 27 Aug 2006, 11:46

GTFO. Smudge wrote:
GTFO. al wrote:strange way to start a joke saying "if im going to be honest".

lols, oh rite ok strange way

Maybe im wrong but are you offended by what i said about your style of play?

I mean it was a joke, & if it wasnt, well then i just wouldve said it wasnt & that im dead serious, which that isnt the case.

But if you are offended then..well its just a game.

& this crap isnt needed between either of us because it isnt going anywhere.

Sorry anyways..

not at all. i have better things to do than worry what people think of how i play. i play the way i always have and always get enough kills to make a positive contribution to the team i'm on. thats essentially the crux of the matter - kill more than you die and you are a positive contributor on the whole. die more than you kill and you're a waste of space.

however, don't try to call me a nub again.

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