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Postby GTFO. al » 03 Nov 2007, 23:30

Yes...too many clowns buy a game, install it and play it without even the most casual regard to getting their settings optimised beforehand. Instead they suffer problems with lag and crappy hit registry or get the fun of watching the enemy jerk all over their screen. It's time we sorted it out. If you read this little guide for 5 minutes and make just a few simple adjustments you could find your game running smoother and your score getting better if you're lucky.

Note: You will need the console to be enabled. To do this go to Options > Keyboard > Advanced > and check Enable Developer Console. Then access the console using the ~ key which is above tab and left of 1. On some keyboards it may be beside return/enter

In HL2 based games it is important to have your settings optimised not only for your hardware and internet connection but also so they are well matched with the settings allowed with the server you are playing on.

In game the 3 main commands that need to be looked at are:
rate which is the maximum amount of Bytes Per Second you will request from the server.
cl_cmdrate which is the maximum amount of updates per second you will send to the server
cl_updaterate which is the maximum amount of updates per second you will receive or request from the server

Unfortunately the defaults that Valve specify absolutely suck. These are determined in the Settings > Internet section of your steam application but they appear to have been last looked at in about 1997 and are totally inadequate. We will doing some manual adjustment to get them how they should be.

On GTFO servers there are a series of maximum and minimum settings allowed which are specified in the server configuration. For your information these are as follows:

sv_maxrate 30000. This means the maximum rate you can receive is 30000 even if you set it higher
sv_mincmdrate 35. This means the minimum cmdrate you can have is 35. If your setting is lower than this you will be forced to 35 regardless.
sv_maxcmdrate 66. This is the maximum cmdrate setting allowed and it matches the server tickrate which is 66
sv_minupdaterate 35. This means the minimum updaterate you can have is 35. If your setting is lower than this you will be forced to 35 regardless.
sv_maxupdaterate 66. This is the maximum updaterate setting allowed and it matches the server tickrate which is 66.

What settings should I use?
This depends a lot on your connection speed and whether you live in the UK or far away from it and to an extent how good your PC is. Having the settings correctly optimised will hopefully increase your hit registry, decrease any lag spikes or jumpy movements you notice.

For users with a decent broadband connection and up to date PC i'd recommend:

rate should be anywhere from 16000-30000
cl_cmdrate should be anywhere from 50-66
cl_updaterate should be anywhere from 50-66


If you live outside the UK or have a slower connection or older computer you may need to lower these slightly but it is just a case of trying different settings until you see 0 loss and low choke in net_graph 3 which will be explained further down this post.

How to use these settings
Simply open the console ingame using the ~ key and type in your desired settings. For example:

rate 20000 and hit enter
cl_cmdrate 60 and hit enter
cl_updaterate 60 and hit enter

If your config.cfg file in your steamapps\account\day of defeat source\cfg folder is READ ONLY then these settings might not stick next time you open the game. You can place them directly into the config.cfg file to avoid this issue.

Open the file and Search (CTFL + F) for cl_cmdrate and cl_updaterate and change the settings. If one or both of those cannot be found add them manually at the bottom of the file. Notice that "brackets" should be used in this file...so cl_cmdrate "60" instead of cl_cmdrate 60

How can I tell what my choke/loss is?

Using net_graph 3 in console you can see exactly what it is happening in relation to the above information.

You will get an output on your screen just like this one, which is my net_graph output:
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The information is easy enough to follow. The bits we're interested in are Choke, Loss, Ping and the 2 numbers on the right hand side, in this instance 60.5/s and 59.4/s

Loss refers to lost packets due to Network problems, either with your computers connection to your ISP, your ISP, or the ISP that is hosting the Server or anywhere in between. It is good to have this number at 0 although occasional blips where it goes to 1 or 2 for a few seconds shouldn't be too much to worry about.

Choke is quite simply the server wanting to send you data but cannot. Again you'll want this number to be as low as possible because if the server tries to send you information about where the enemy is located on the screen and you dont receive it then how are you going to shoot anything? Having the right rate, cl_cmdrate and cl_updaterate settings should help keep this number low.

Ping simply refers to the time, in milliseconds, taken for you to send information to the server and receive it back again. This should be as low as possible, preferably under 100ms, and usually will be if you have a broadband connection and live anywhere in europe.

In the above example the 60.5/s refers to the average number of data updates you are receiving from the server. This is controlled by cl_updaterate. This number can never exceed 66 on GTFO servers because of our server settings and tickrate. Obviously, a higher number is best here. If your cl_updaterate is set high but this number is low it could indicate as issue with the server itself.

The 59.4/s refers to the average number of data updates you are sending to the server for the benefit of other players. This is controlled by cl_cmdrate. Again this can't exceed 66 and a higher number is better.

More info and useful tips
http://whisper.ausgamers.com/wiki/index.php/Tickrate
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Postby aKa » 04 Nov 2007, 01:56

Why do you enforce a maxium rate on the GTFO servers?.

seems silly that people wanting to use higher rates as they find it helps being punished and not coming on to play as much when you have people using low min rates to get a lesser hit reg type thing, also will appear to lag etc
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Postby GTFO. al » 04 Nov 2007, 14:31

aKa wrote:Why do you enforce a maxium rate on the GTFO servers?.

seems silly that people wanting to use higher rates as they find it helps being punished and not coming on to play as much when you have people using low min rates to get a lesser hit reg type thing, also will appear to lag etc


what rates would you like to see allowed?
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Postby Echelon » 04 Nov 2007, 16:36

i don't get that, about opening the console with that button. i have to press Esc to get access to the console.
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Postby Cookie » 04 Nov 2007, 16:57

My choke hits about 20 when theres lots of action going on. Its that alright or is there a way of reducing this.
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Postby GTFO. Bunny » 07 Nov 2007, 02:07

I have messed about with my rates for a few sessions and low and behold the best rates are the ones that you recommend , 30000 66 etc ..it keeps my choke to about 1 or 0 most of the time and the loss is nearly always 0...and I don't have the greatest Broadband either ( its about 4 - 5 meg most of the time )

A quick question though.. why does my cmdrate and updaterate sometimes go above 66 ... can get to 67 .5 on both ... thought it couldn't get beyond 66 .
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Postby GTFO. al » 07 Nov 2007, 10:39

bunny wrote:I have messed about with my rates for a few sessions and low and behold the best rates are the ones that you recommend , 30000 66 etc ..it keeps my choke to about 1 or 0 most of the time and the loss is nearly always 0...and I don't have the greatest Broadband either ( its about 4 - 5 meg most of the time )

A quick question though.. why does my cmdrate and updaterate sometimes go above 66 ... can get to 67 .5 on both ... thought it couldn't get beyond 66 .


its just an estimate or rounding of the average as far as i know so it can creep above. it won't go to like 70 or 75 though for example.
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Postby GTFO. Bunny » 07 Nov 2007, 18:24

GTFO. al wrote:
its just an estimate or rounding of the average as far as i know so it can creep above. it won't go to like 70 or 75 though for example.


Thanks for clearing that up..

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Postby Sitting duck » 08 Nov 2007, 00:32

Echelon, if you look in options, then advanced options in the keys section you will see a tick box for 'enable developers console'. Tick that then it will allow you to use console in game.

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Postby Echelon » 08 Nov 2007, 13:19

i have console ingame, but only way to access it is to press Escape button
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Postby GTFO. Tinks » 08 Nov 2007, 15:09

Do you have a qwerty keyboard, or is it a different layout over there?
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Postby aKa » 08 Nov 2007, 17:10

sorry i took my time to replie..

I have shity pc and ok net, ie: 2-8 mb..

still if i use 66 66 i do get choke and such now, so i use 25000 100 101 and nothing generally.. it works a treat on 66 tick servers.

Server shud enforce a higher rate for minium like 66 66 :D i wish but 18000 50 50... if someone is needing to use lower rates, they shudnt be using dods...
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Postby GTFO. al » 08 Nov 2007, 17:21

aKa wrote:sorry i took my time to replie..

I have shity pc and ok net, ie: 2-8 mb..

still if i use 66 66 i do get choke and such now, so i use 25000 100 101 and nothing generally.. it works a treat on 66 tick servers.

Server shud enforce a higher rate for minium like 66 66 :D i wish but 18000 50 50... if someone is needing to use lower rates, they shudnt be using dods...


thats "fake" in a way though.

even if you set 101, you'll still only get 66. if you set 66 you'll get 66.
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Postby Echelon » 08 Nov 2007, 17:55

QWERTY yes.
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Postby GTFO. Tinks » 08 Nov 2007, 19:01

Strange, the key I use for the console is the one above 'TAB', to the left of '1', not the one above 'SHIFT' to the left of 'ENTER'.

Is that what you use?
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Postby Echelon » 08 Nov 2007, 19:07

any key i try wont work
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Postby Sitting duck » 08 Nov 2007, 19:15

ah, you could check you have settings in windows as a UK keyboard. The default is normally US.

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Postby GTFO. Eva » 03 Dec 2007, 20:09

I dont know if UK kb:s have as a standard to use ~key in consols of all kinds :D .
Some of us enabled that key over and over again in options and we still cant reach console, then I found a DoD site where it was told that U had to go to properties and there U write CONSOLE then console opens and U choose what key U want to use as console key.
So eventually I have that console.
BUT....
Then I wrote those settings that G said and....nothing changed. I still have low "out"rates.
So... any ideas?
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Postby Echelon » 03 Dec 2007, 21:29

it works, but it's the same as hitting ESC button, lol. brings you out of the game.
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Postby secret » 03 Dec 2007, 21:43

cant open console anyway
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Postby GTFO. Eva » 03 Dec 2007, 22:25

Secret, when U start steam U get the square with community and my games etc, at the bottom to the right U see properties and launch, press properties and a smaller square pops up where U write console, press enter. Console comes up. At the bottom of that one U have to write 'bind"\"toggelconsole" then U press enter again, then con_enable"1" ,enter.
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Yes and U have to enable it in options.
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Postby secret » 04 Dec 2007, 17:06

Cheers Eva, thx for help!!!!!!!!! i get the console by your way=)
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Postby Trooper[UK] » 26 Dec 2007, 20:30

my console key is the same as Tinks.
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Postby Svirrum » 27 Dec 2007, 01:41

Ah- I also have been having problems with the toggleconsole key. Norwegian Keyb (what on earth do we need the ø æ and å for??).

I have 'solved' it by adding '-console' to the shortcut command line. This opens console when game starts. Then I leave console open, and can be reached using the esc-key.

Tried binding toggle_console to another key, didn't help. Next time I will try to define UK keyboard.
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Postby Echelon » 27 Dec 2007, 09:45

yeah same as i have always done. i even managed to asign it to another button, but the console didn't pop up as an overlay in-game as i had hoped.. it just did the same as the ESC button does. brings you out to the game menu, where the console window is left open.
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Re: Sorting your settings for a more enjoyable game

Postby Kakashi » 22 Mar 2008, 13:46

Hi Al, i just want to ask if i do experience lag or spike or watever that makes my gameplay unplayable, do i need to change all the 3 main command to balance things out, or i can i make the gameplay better by say only changing the rate and leave the other 2 command as it is?

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Re: Sorting your settings for a more enjoyable game

Postby GTFO. G » 22 Mar 2008, 14:25

cl_cmdrate and cl_updaterate should be set at 66 (or higher) for our servers. It's really stupid to have them lower, as you wont be recieving or sending as much data as the server is putting out or capable of recieving. rate should also be set between 20000 and 30000 with todays broadband connections.

Lag spikes are generally unavoidable, and could be caused by numerous things, including your internet connection, your computer, or something server side like a CPU spike.
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Re: Sorting your settings for a more enjoyable game

Postby secret » 22 Mar 2008, 14:47

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Re: Sorting your settings for a more enjoyable game

Postby Kakashi » 22 Mar 2008, 16:38

Hi thanks G, for the information. I want to ask if i get choke on my netgraph, am i s'pose to set the Rate up or down to remedy it? i get between 0-40 choke. Oh and also my framerate goes from 60 to 40 sometimes, hw do i fix that problem?

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Postby secret » 22 Mar 2008, 17:29

my choke is 0-5 when im playing on GTFO servers
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Re: Sorting your settings for a more enjoyable game

Postby Private Mirosov » 16 Oct 2008, 18:19

I'll try these settings out. Anyway that I can improve my fps? it's a dismal 30-40 during action :/ my gfx card is just 64 mb!
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Re: Sorting your settings for a more enjoyable game

Postby GTFO. al » 16 Oct 2008, 18:30

get a new card. shouldn't be trying any source games with less than 256MB tbh!
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Postby Private Mirosov » 16 Oct 2008, 19:34

impossible: im on a laptop :/
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Re: Sorting your settings for a more enjoyable game

Postby Joesoef » 22 Jan 2009, 17:16

Below what rates do you consider it to be unfair? below 18.000 ? below 15.000 ? below 10.000 ?
I've seen a lot of players with 9999 / 20 / 30 etc. update and cmd_rate supposed to be forced to 66 isn't it? But what about rate ?
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Re: Sorting your settings for a more enjoyable game

Postby HarcoN » 22 Jan 2009, 22:11

Well :P Hope you can help me here.

I've found out i have a serious choke problem. just standing still looking at me lovely sentry i can hit between 0-20 choke, going it battle it can rush to allmost 70-80 in a second. Aswell i see the entinities (the red marker on net_graph 3) hit insane numbers allmost going out of the screen. Aswell checking my cl_updaterate thingy throught the net_graph its allmost allways around the 60's randomly going below the 55's, but the cl_cmdrate is battering low on ~30ish.

I've tryed changing my rate, all the way from 5000 -> 70000 and my cl_updaterate and cl_cmdrate from 60->101 (old CS 1.6 setting, worked perfectly, no help here tho as you explained yourself)

Best numbers on choke actually hits me with an insane high rate, around 50 or 60 thousand.

I've checked my CPU usage, its not high, about 50-60%. and the ram usage is only ~1000 out of 1.5gb.
And i can't seem to get my FPS any higher either, even setting down the gfx settings doesn't get it much higher than ~30-40ish and i have a ASUS EN9800GTX+ TOP, witch is a top of the line brand new GFX card. I've tryed tracert to the servers from cmd and it shows on 43 ms. looking in the Windows Joblist (Ctrl + Alt + Delete) under Network(I guess, its what its called in danish(translated ofc)) it only uses 1.5% of the 100Mbps thats possible.

ehm :P guess i have nothing more to say, ehm... i know ! PLEASE ! :P

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Re: Sorting your settings for a more enjoyable game

Postby GTFO. Coxy » 22 Jan 2009, 22:30

HarcoN wrote:Well :P Hope you can help me here.

I've found out i have a serious choke problem. just standing still looking at me lovely sentry i can hit between 0-20 choke, going it battle it can rush to allmost 70-80 in a second. Aswell i see the entinities (the red marker on net_graph 3) hit insane numbers allmost going out of the screen. Aswell checking my cl_updaterate thingy throught the net_graph its allmost allways around the 60's randomly going below the 55's, but the cl_cmdrate is battering low on ~30ish.

I've tryed changing my rate, all the way from 5000 -> 70000 and my cl_updaterate and cl_cmdrate from 60->101 (old CS 1.6 setting, worked perfectly, no help here tho as you explained yourself)

Best numbers on choke actually hits me with an insane high rate, around 50 or 60 thousand.

I've checked my CPU usage, its not high, about 50-60%. and the ram usage is only ~1000 out of 1.5gb.
And i can't seem to get my FPS any higher either, even setting down the gfx settings doesn't get it much higher than ~30-40ish and i have a ASUS EN9800GTX+ TOP, witch is a top of the line brand new GFX card. I've tryed tracert to the servers from cmd and it shows on 43 ms. looking in the Windows Joblist (Ctrl + Alt + Delete) under Network(I guess, its what its called in danish(translated ofc)) it only uses 1.5% of the 100Mbps thats possible.

ehm :P guess i have nothing more to say, ehm... i know ! PLEASE ! :P

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I also hit insane numbers on netgraph and play with around 10-15 fps when its a massive battle. I'm using a HD3870x2 and i have a very good spec PC with low fps in tf2. I thought it could have been the rate settings at first, but i have everything how it should be now and it still runs the same. Going to buy a new mobo and cpu soon anyway to solve the prob.

But ragarding rates, I get very bad choke and loss, similar to yours and i'm blaming my ISP as my ping has started to go up to 90-150 at night!
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Re: Sorting your settings for a more enjoyable game

Postby HarcoN » 22 Jan 2009, 22:36

Well, my ping is steady (when i look atleast :P) 50.. but aswell i've been running pretty much the highest effects on gfx only to turn it to medium and allmost puked ^^ now i hate the low gfx ^^

But i'd assume its the ISP, its the only place i could see the problem. But what the hell, why that much choke ? Its making it lag insanely
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Re: Sorting your settings for a more enjoyable game

Postby GTFO. ObscuredByCows » 22 Jan 2009, 22:40

Don't use net_graph 3 is my advice. net_graph 1 is sufficient for a lot of issues and if you don't notice any problem with gameplay then choke isn't really an issue anyway. I find net_graph 3 is either inaccurate or causes more problems.
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Re: Sorting your settings for a more enjoyable game

Postby Joesoef » 05 Feb 2009, 12:41

What about this one? The Real CMDrate is even lower then his CVAR ?
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