TEAM STACKING discussion

[GTFO. Sammo]

Yea wat team stack, we was even out numbered and this coming from a guy who spends his life sitting with his mg all the time, stop weopon whoring

[SPA2TACU5]

It's not, he apparently thinks 16 - 0 for a team means stacking. It's Flash, it's normal.

It is team/skill stacking when 5 regs go on one team and rape the other team over and over without the other team having any chance at all of playing a decent game. Obviously I'm not just talking about the 16-0 but also about the +128 : +2. That means Axis didn't even touch 3rd flag in 16 rounds.

But I guess to some people this is "fun" gaming. But I think to at least the entire Axis team it's not.

[SPA2TACU5]

Yea wat team stack, we was even out numbered and this coming from a guy who spends his life sitting with his mg all the time, stop weopon whoring

Both remarks are just cheap ways to defend yourself for not being a good admin.

You weren't outnumbered for quite some time Axis' team was 2 players down. At least from the point at which I joined. I asked to even teams several times, but no reaction from you are the other regs/players to even/balance the teams at all.

The second remark about whoring a class:

Axis Panzerschreck 0d 03:37:48h 13 times
American Bazooka 0d 02:04:26h 15 times
American Master Sergeant 0d 01:34:50h 8 times
> American Machine Gunner 0d 01:27:09h 4 times
American Support Infantry 0d 01:17:27h 4 times
Axis MG42-Schütze 0d 01:08:07h 3 times
Axis Sturmtruppe 0d 01:02:05h 7 times
Axis Unteroffizier 0d 00:55:24h 8 times

[SPA2TACU5]

let me rephrase that: I thought it was bad adminning in that game, not that youre a bad admin overall.
discussion should not be about me or sammo, but about teams that are too strong and how to make sure the game is fun for everyone involved. right?

[GTFO. TommyBoy]

This is a team stacking discussion, the points/issues you have raised are NOT related to team stacking. If you have an issue regarding other matters please start a new thread.

[bob]

While that game was a little unfair for most of the game the teams were fair and about the number of regs on it. When im normally on the people who i see the most are evenly split between the teams. Sammo, me and mansos on allies, you nite owl and SZF on the other team.

Also 25, look at the scores of people. Only Online has a great score.

[SPA2TACU5]

The screen shot I posted or the point I'm struggling to make is not about that particular game. It's about a balanced game that gives good and bad players a chance to enjoy their time on the server.

I think that's the goal of the clan stacking rule, but it should in my opinion also apply to a "skill" stacked game. I think there's no fair or objective way to determine if skill stacking is the case by looking at someone's stats or repuation within dods (or tf2) or more specifically on the gtfo servers.

The way to determine weather a skill stack is taking place is by looking at the game score. And personally I feel the same should apply to clan stacking: if the side a clan is playing for is not performing explicitly better than the opposing side I see no problem with clan stacking.

How to solve this issue? Either have an admin intervene, or trust the regulars or even the quality players on the stacked side to balance the game themselves (unlikely they will do so), or use some auto scrambler or auto balancer (sigh) to even things up.

[Troops]

Sometimes a game of dod is just one sided thats just how it is.
To say bad admin is just a total piss take imho, sammo is one of the more regular and fairest admins on flash and from my point of view he lets things flow, which is a good thing.

Just thank your lucky stars CK or Tommy aint on with your mg whoring tactics

Flash is probulary the most popular server, and tbh theres never been a problem till you decide to show up talking about auto scramblers and "skill" stacking.

You are always Mg and rocket, so i wouldnt mind an auto ban plugin for mg/sniper/rocket whores.
but that isnt gonna happen is it.

[GTFO. Sammo]

Lol , cheap way to defend myself. as Bob says the teams was not that bad, you had a few regs too, and when i joined i clicked on auto team pick, so i didnt pick that team, after i checked you guys out with rates etc. stop moaning and get on with it, and you dont use any other weopon besides mg when im about trying to get ya points up. And this has nothing to do with this topic you have posted in. next time start a new thread and do your moaning there, as this has nothing to do with clan team stacking and grow up and grow a pair bitching all the time, and if you think im a bad admin ill start being one by banning you for weopon whoring as your being so petty, i let you guys get away with a lot, as Troops says, good job the other guys dont see you as they HAVE not got as much patients as me

[Rockford]

OK, taking the personal digs out for a moment...
I think I get what Spartacus was trying to say. GTFO aims to be a public server, fun for all. (One of the many reasons you guys don't enforce rates or ban heavily like some other servers).

There are times when a team is "stacked", whether it be by a clan, a group of friends, skill, or just plain good teamwork. This then creates a steam roller for the other side. It does happen on Flash, it happens on all the servers at one time or another.

So the question is : Can anyone do anything about it? Does anyone want to?
I personally would hate an autoblance. When a group of strangers click and go on a winning streak its part of the game. It makes up for all those s**** games we put up with in between.

So, yes Spartacus there are times when a team becomes "stacked" but I prefer to call it a "team". It doesn't last long, and encourages players to work as a team, instead of camping in corners.

Does GTFO know about it? Everyone in DODs knows it happens...(as far as I can tell, its part of the game!)
Will they do anything about it? Not unless its clan stacking

[GTFO. Luckyg]

plugins can be installed so after say x amount of times a team wins a round in a row, scramble the teams. Which could be tested if people do have a issue with it

[SPA2TACU5]

@ Troops Regarding the accusations: Totally unfounded. Wanting to see me banned from the servers for giving my opinion on a forum is strange as well.

[SPA2TACU5]

and you dont use any other weopon besides mg when im about trying to get ya points up.

I dropped from like 10th on GTFO to like 75th after starting to play MG and Rocket classes more regularly. I don't care about the GTFO rank, so I am certainly not trying to "get my points up". The only reason I've picked those classes more regularly (not solely) for the past 10 days is cause I wanted to get some Steam achievements.

[SPA2TACU5]

I personally would hate an autoblance. When a group of strangers click and go on a winning streak its part of the game. It makes up for all those s**** games we put up with in between.

So, yes Spartacus there are times when a team becomes "stacked" but I prefer to call it a "team". It doesn't last long, and encourages players to work as a team, instead of camping in corners.

Does GTFO know about it? Everyone in DODs knows it happens...(as far as I can tell, its part of the game!)
Will they do anything about it? Not unless its clan stacking

There's nothing wrong with a winning streak, but as I've tried to point out a couple of times with the example, 16 rounds or 20, or 10 rounds without one side even touching 3rd flag is not a winning streak, it's a rape of the opposing side.

The second thing I've tried to point out is that the clan stacking rule's goal is to not let this happen on the servers, and therefor it would make sense to pursue the same goal with a rule which tries to avoid "extensive win streaks". Right?

8. Don't team stack.
2 or 3 players from the same clan shouldn't be a big issue in most cases but it depends on the clan and the situation. An organised clan that is stacking up on the same team will bring imbalance to the game play. Often they only play with each other, help each other and they do not play together with the rest of the team. The opposing team will also have problems because they are not as organised. This rule does not apply to GTFO members.

plugins can be installed so after say x amount of times a team wins a round in a row, scramble the teams. Which could be tested if people do have a issue with it

It would be interesting to see if this works.

[GTFO. TommyBoy]

Extensive win streaks are the norm on Flash, it's not going to change and we are NOT going to reinstate any scramble/team balance plugins. You either accept this or play on another server, end of.

[SPA2TACU5]

Extensive win streaks are the norm on Flash, it's not going to change and we are NOT going to reinstate any scramble/team balance plugins. You either accept this or play on another server, end of.

I guess the big leader has spoken.

[GTFO. master.sar.fier]

Nah, he's right, if it does not suit you, then there are other Sevres.
Do not come here and be a asehole

[GTFO. Ragostini]

8. Don't team stack.
2 or 3 players from the same clan shouldn't be a big issue in most cases but it depends on the clan and the situation. An organised clan that is stacking up on the same team will bring imbalance to the game play. Often they only play with each other, help each other and they do not play together with the rest of the team. The opposing team will also have problems because they are not as organised. This rule does not apply to GTFO members.

I fail to see how this has any relation to what you're moaning about, far as I can tell, there was no clan stack, you're just whining cause you were on the losing team, which has been pointed out, is the norm on Flash.
Sure it sucks, but we all have to endure it from time to time.

[SPA2TACU5]

I fail to see how this has any relation to what you're moaning about, far as I can tell, there was no clan stack, you're just whining cause you were on the losing team, which has been pointed out, is the norm on Flash.
Sure it sucks, but we all have to endure it from time to time.

Ragostini, you didn't read anything I said, so what's the point of replying?


As for being called an asshole, I never did anything to offend you Master SF, so why call me an asshole for giving my opinion on a forum?

Same goes for anyone calling it moaning; I'm making a few points, that's it. It's a bit contradictive to run a forum but to then label someone's opinion as "'moaning" just because it's a different one from your own.

I'll leave at this since it's been a big waste of time to us all. See you in game.

[GTFO. Sammo]

Yawn . Thank god he is gonna shut uo